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Old 27-05-2003, 11:06 AM   #17
Slaterface
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Thankyou aussiechica for your very concise argument... that's exactly what I'm trying to get across.

It's all about representation and appearances in advertising. Because that's what this page is - it's advertising - and there are rules and regulations in advertising that are there to protect the consumer from companies who misrepresent themselves.

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Slaterface I don't know how familiar you are with MOSH but when I saw that the post was by 'M' I knew it was from Token, they posted a link straight to the news page in a forum where many of the regular visitors already knew their association. Same for MSG and manbitesgod.
That's the point! - I'm NOT all that familiar with Mosh, I followed the link thinking it was some kind of new amazing Australia-wide comedy gig-guide type thing (and for a publicist, this is very exciting) and then got suss as i read down the list and noticed it all seemed to be a handful of acts. Up to that point nothing had suggested that it wasn't a new amazing Australia-wide comedy gig-guide...

Look at the post. "M?" Not very descriptive. "LATEST COMEDY DOT COM NEWS. Take a look, updated weekly on Monday afternoons: http://www.comedy.com.au/html/news/" A bit mysterious. Then the page itself does nothing to explain. I was totally deceived and had to search the site to find out what it was all about.

If I were posting on Mosh (or any community for that matter), I wouldn't assume that everyone there knew what was going on. Again, dodgy practice - especially for a professional business such as Token.

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If you feel that they're being deceptive and anti-competitive, why resort to anonymous online mud-slinging? There are official channels you can go through, such as the ACCC, that handle this kind of thing.
Assuming that they won't actually list any non-Token acts, which may be a fair assumption, but it's not a fact...
Okay fair enough. Firstly the ACCC are unlikely to act on this matter - they have much much bigger fish to fry (and I used to work for them, so I know! Airlines and Telecommunications companies right now!) I might consider raising the issue with The office of Fair Trading after I have sought to discuss the issue with Token.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct about contacting them and I will endeavor to do so. However, I challenge you to try and find an email address or contact details on the comedy.com.au site - there's not even a link to Token Artists site. I guess I could email the individual artists, but that doesn't seem fair.

The reason I posted initially was the thought was that most people often don't question what they read - and I felt the need to bring the post into question - which it has certainly acheived, hence the ensuing debate.

There a probably a lot of people on this site who knew exactly the origins of the post - but what about those who aren't as well informed, or those who just surfed in?

Finally, Veronica -I'm afraid I find your arguments invalid on numerous counts.

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The token.com.au website has bios for their artists up till 2001... I think that instead of updating the token site, they just created the comedy.com.au site instead.
That's just speculation and doesn't really relate to my argument. But why not update the token site? Its their business site, it should be up to date.

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And if token hadn't taken the domain name, someone else would have. I don't have any real problem with them having that address.
Neither do I - if they use it responsibly - and that is to be upfront about their bias. The news page should be titled the "Token Artists News". At the moment it amounts to "Australian Comedian News".

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It's like the address for my site, my site isn't actually about sticky chicken... it's about a sticky chicken but not all sticky chicken.
Same with this site, it's about some of the major comedians in australia, but not all of them.
I actually think you've missed the point of my post. Your site is a fan site and you are not in competition with anyone else. In fact, you declare very prominently on the page you direct people to that it is "Devoted to the Stickiest Chicken -WIL ANDERSON!!", so there is absolutely no confusion about the information that people will find on the page. And therefore, those who are actually seeking a little sticky chicken action can opt to look elsewhere.
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